tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8147830524387817564.post4309852815474752839..comments2022-12-03T10:50:29.069+00:00Comments on Duchy of Strackenz: At BreakfastSteveIhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07872240161596231916noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8147830524387817564.post-86966520837077802522008-11-06T17:37:00.000+00:002008-11-06T17:37:00.000+00:00Steve, looking forward to discover the 'proto...Steve,<BR/> looking forward to discover the 'prototype' Landwirts helmet, and your uniform patterns!<BR/><BR/><BR/>I believe the helmet given by de Saxe to his Uhlans as they appear in 1745 to be typical of how the Marechal endvisaged a rendition of an ‘ancient’ helmet – at least by 1745 (the ‘Reveries’ are, I believe, posthumous and maybe apocryphal). Why? The Uhlans were (theoretically) ‘noble Musilm Tatars from Lithuania’ and their initial uniform was 100% ‘Tatar’. The uniform worn in 1745 combined ‘Tatar’ and ‘Ancient’ features: the baggy trousers, open sleeves are ‘Tatars’ (or at least ‘generic steppes’); but the ‘tunic’, being multilobed at the lower edge, betrays the ‘Ancient’ inspiration. De Saxe was very fond of theatre (or at least of young actresses and ballerinas: he created the ‘field theatre’, having one attached to his HQ): this multilobed edge was the ‘normal’ 17th C. – 18th C. theatrical rendition of Ancient armour – more precisely of the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pteruges" REL="nofollow">‘pteruges’</A>. I think both inspirations were combined in the helmet (to become so successful and widely copied –immedialtly also by the <I>Volontaires Etrangers de Clermont-Prince</I>, later as the ‘Schomberg helmet’ copied in 4 continents, still worn in some form by the Brazilian and French Guard Cavalry, and at the origin of the crest of stil many firemen helmets). I think that <I>the turban around it displayed the ‘Musilm’ part, the helmet itself the ‘Ancient’ part</I>.<BR/><BR/> Another possible (but less directly related to de Saxe) ‘Lace Wars’ rendition of an ‘Ancient’ helmet, with peak and neckpiece, could be the early (Petter the Great?) form of Russian helmet-mitre: delete the vertical front plate and add a ‘Roman’ crest… At least I advanced a suggestion on this basis for the «Tarlenheim Helmet» -a‘Tarleton with Roman-like peak & neckpiece’- described in the OSW group by ‘poros’ for the cavalry of the Ruritanian <I>‘Neu Freikorps von Tarlenheim’</I> (jan. 21, 2008 <A HREF="http://mcristobylacew-abdul666.blogspot.com/2007/07/fictitious-lace-wars-armies-can-look.html" REL="nofollow">comment</A>)?<BR/><BR/><BR/> It was more than a year ago that you started the relevant TMP thread, so at first I forgot: it was mainly in comment to a <A HREF="http://nba-sywtemplates.blogspot.com/2007/10/coming-soon.html" REL="nofollow">post</A> from David in his <B>NBA</B> that I discussed de Saxe original uniforms. There I commented also about the original (1743) uniform of his <I>Volontaires</I>: not part of his daydreamed Legion, but this last was intended to be the equivalent of the Roman Legion, so to have ‘Auxiliaries’… So the <I>original</I> ‘Volontaires’ may appear among the light cavalry of the Duchy of Strackenz?<BR/><BR/> <BR/> Searching the archive sof the OSW group I found an old message referring to the ‘gorgeous’ «Reveries», so maybe posted by a member owning an illustrated edition: I just posted a <A HREF="http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/old_school_wargaming/message/28384" REL="nofollow">‘reply’</A> asking for information.<BR/><BR/> Best wishes,<BR/> Jean-Louis<BR/><BR/>PS : glad you're again in posting / blogging mood: I suppose it's a favourable sign.abdul666https://www.blogger.com/profile/16172686098173637906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8147830524387817564.post-83575204771849452292008-11-06T16:10:00.000+00:002008-11-06T16:10:00.000+00:00Jean-Louis,Wait and see the helmet that is being p...Jean-Louis,<BR/>Wait and see the helmet that is being produced by Herr Landwirt and let me know what you think of it. (It is actually already made, just needs photographing).<BR/><BR/>Alan<BR/>The idea is to make all the figures to produce a Legion as described by de Saxe. Unfortunately our tailors are not as skilled as those over in Minden, but I do hope that the effort is worthwhile.<BR/><BR/>SteveSteveIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872240161596231916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8147830524387817564.post-74833517441604001372008-11-06T15:31:00.000+00:002008-11-06T15:31:00.000+00:00What other units are in the pipeline?AlanWhat other units are in the pipeline?<BR/>Alantradgardmastarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116967655904601740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8147830524387817564.post-43167084891614212912008-11-06T13:44:00.000+00:002008-11-06T13:44:00.000+00:00ERM, for obvious reasons you know that TMP thre...ERM,<BR/> for obvious reasons you know that <A HREF="http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=123417" REL="nofollow">TMP thread</A>: you're the one who started it! I tried to summarize my own 'conclusions' when alluding to the exchanges between Maurice and Louys de <A HREF="http://mcristobylacew-abdul666.blogspot.com/2007/08/de-saxe-popps-best-penpal.html" REL="nofollow">Monte-Cristo</A>. <BR/><BR/>Regarding the helmet, <B>I'm not sure at all it would have a peak and neckpiece</B>: de Saxe's own idea of an 'ancient' helmet is shown, I think, in the helmets he devised for his 'Volontaires de Saxe' (Uhlans and 'Pacolets', later Dragoons), and precisely they were deprived of such 'extensions', their lower rim was perfectly horizontal. This very characteristic puts the 'de Saxe' helmets (and their immediate imitations, e.g. that of La Morliere Dragoons) and the derivated 'Schomberg' apart from the later ones - a small peak appears in the Tarleton e.g. Also, the upper edge of the 'turban' is horizontal, later it will be higher on the front. Thus, for a far-fetched exemple, among the 'Alternative Armies' "Napoleonic" Elves, <A HREF="http://www.alternative-armies.com/51501_L'Espirit_Du_Garde.htm" REL="nofollow">l'Esprit du Garde</A> (?) wears a helmet more 'Lace Wars' than 'Napoleonic', imho...<BR/><BR/> As for the cut of the uniform, with <B>a (larger than ordinary) waistcoat instead of a coat</B>, maybe the Black Scorpion <A HREF="http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/product.asp?the_range=PIR&product=PIR16" REL="nofollow">’Marines’</A> (of obvious <I>Pirates of the Carribean</I> inspiration) offer a likely appearance?<BR/><BR/> Of course the mere glance at the original illustrations of the 'Rêveries' would dispell any doubt. <BR/>I saw somez of them in a French fanzine, some.. 4O years ago, so I don't remember them precisely...<BR/><BR/> Jean-Louisabdul666https://www.blogger.com/profile/16172686098173637906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8147830524387817564.post-91591214612665081742008-11-06T09:44:00.000+00:002008-11-06T09:44:00.000+00:00JeffGood to hear from you. I have no figures in mi...Jeff<BR/>Good to hear from you. <BR/>I have no figures in mind as no one makes any, but I am in the process of, badly, sculpting them.<BR/>The idea behind this blog is to get input from others about how they view the uniform as described in Reveries and to chart the progress on the sculpting, casting and painting of the figures.<BR/><BR/>SteveSteveIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872240161596231916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8147830524387817564.post-69357126558740918892008-11-06T01:32:00.000+00:002008-11-06T01:32:00.000+00:00Interesting. Do you already have some figures in ...Interesting. Do you already have some figures in mind?<BR/><BR/><BR/>-- JeffBluebear Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07595975572873838050noreply@blogger.com